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Poster: billydlions Date: Feb 28, 2010 9:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 05/04/19772 sbd

Hey Mick or anyone,

Stupid question but why does Sugar Mags sound different? The vocals almost sound too good leading me to believe they have been overdubbed (and it sounds like it comes from a different source)? Perhaps this is the Europe 72 version, but I'm not sure why that would alter the versions here.

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Poster: mickmac Date: Feb 28, 2010 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 05/04/19772 sbd

The one I am listening has no dropoff or increase in frequency levels from previous or next songs. If anything it sounds maybe a little higher pitched than Europe 72 release though I believe it is the same version.I have the Jay Serafin copy.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Feb 28, 2010 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 05/04/19772 sbd

I think I have the Miller version. There's without a doubt more reverb on Sugar Mags, with amazing vocals (especially Bobby) but no mention by Charlie in his notes.

This is a tagged version of shinid: 77294

Grateful Dead
May 4, 1972
Olympia Theatre - Paris, France
gd72-05-04.sbd.miller.77294.sbeok.flac16

Recording Info:
SBD -> (16 Track) Master Reel -> Dat

Transfer Info:
Dat (Sony R500) -> SEK'D Prodif Plus ->
Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC
(4 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
September 6, 2006

Notes:
-- Thanks to Steve Rolfe for lending me his Dat
-- 2nd Set disc changes are seamless
-- Cut at start of Casey Jones
-- Cut at end of Dark Star
-- Cut in Not Fade Away
-- Diginoise in Big Railroad Blues patched with shnid#20562
-- Next Time You see Me is from a different source
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Poster: kschneid Date: Feb 28, 2010 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 05/04/19772 sbd

I haven't gone back to listen, but it looks like the Serafin version explicitly dubs in Euro '72 (see comments): shnid=143.

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Poster: mickmac Date: Feb 28, 2010 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 05/04/19772 sbd

Absolutely. No difference at all between the two except mine isnt as full sounding as E72.Could that be bcause it was remastered when rereleased? E72 that is. I never was aware of that. Thanks man!

This post was modified by mickmac on 2010-02-28 18:43:35

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Poster: kschneid Date: Feb 28, 2010 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 05/04/19772 sbd

Interesting quote from the Wikipedia entry (not that it's definitive):

Although Europe '72 is billed as a live album, the songs featured on the release were subject to significant overdubs after the fact, specifically with respect to the lush harmony vocals. Unadulterated multitrack recordings of the performances used for the album are no longer available (because they were simply snipped from the multitrack concert tapes whereupon the band overdubbed directly onto them, destroying the originals) but, for example, the available two-track soundboard recording of the May 10, 1972 show indicates the band had not yet figured out the vocal arrangements for "He's Gone" that would later be overdubbed in the United States.

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